Comments for Rather Not Blog http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com All Things Anglican Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:50:23 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on A Further Note on “Priestess” by deathbredon http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/2009/09/05/a-further-note-on-priestess/#comment-245 deathbredon Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:50:23 +0000 http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/?p=176#comment-245 Amen. Politeness may prevent us, on occasion, from speaking about the presence of pink elephant in the room, but surely it does not require us to accede to the pretense that the elephant is not pink, or is not a pachyderm. While English is a fluid, it is not infinitely malleable nor should it be. Amen. Politeness may prevent us, on occasion, from speaking about the presence of pink elephant in the room, but surely it does not require us to accede to the pretense that the elephant is not pink, or is not a pachyderm. While English is a fluid, it is not infinitely malleable nor should it be.

]]> Comment on He who justifies, deifies by deathbredon http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/he-who-justifies-deifies/#comment-244 deathbredon Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:46:50 +0000 http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/?p=183#comment-244 When justification and sanctification are ontologically separated, as opposed to merely heuristically, then a slide away from historic Christianity has indubitably begun. When justification and sanctification are ontologically separated, as opposed to merely heuristically, then a slide away from historic Christianity has indubitably begun.

]]> Comment on Stealth . . . by deathbredon http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/stealth/#comment-243 deathbredon Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:44:57 +0000 http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/?p=180#comment-243 This is old hat for "Conciliar Catholics" in my neck of the woods. This is old hat for “Conciliar Catholics” in my neck of the woods.

]]> Comment on He who justifies, deifies by Eric http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/he-who-justifies-deifies/#comment-234 Eric Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:18:38 +0000 http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/?p=183#comment-234 I am really enjoying your blog - keep it up. I am really enjoying your blog – keep it up.

]]> Comment on Banned by Susan Peterson http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/2009/09/04/banned/#comment-220 Susan Peterson Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:08:39 +0000 http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/?p=167#comment-220 I'll be honest; I myself shudder to hear the word "priestess" applied to Anne Kennedy, because there is nothing pagan about her as far as her beliefs or her character are concerned. Whatever she thinks she is doing on the rare occasions when she celebrates, it is not what Catholics believe a priest does. By "whatever" I don't mean to be dismissive, I mean that I don't really understand other than Catholic understandings of the Eucharist. I think I have some idea of other than Catholic understandings of the Eucharistic presence, but I don't really understand other than Catholic understandings of the Eucharistic action. But I know Anne doesn't think she acts "in the person of Christ" as a Catholic priest does. I know that Anne is a serious and devout Christian woman. And Matt isn't married to her qua "priestess" he is married to the woman and person Anne. It is too easy to forget that when her ecclesiastical status is an issue of public controversy. I see Matt's views on the Eucharist as having changed a bit over the past few years, for instance from seeing John VI as not about the Eucharist at all to seeing that at least the second half of it must be. It is amazing that he has any time for theological thought at all given the stress of leaving the Episcopal church and losing the building, and now having the diocese accuse him of financial malfeasance because people gave money to the St. Matthias society and the church spent down the assets that were to be confiscated. But I do see some movement. It is much better for such movement to take place without a whole lot of public scrutiny and people jumping all over every sentence. If a change in one little piece of one's ideas is going to require a change in another place, this might require a year's reflection and study. There is no point in telling someone that because he has taken one step along a road that he doesn't know the ending of, or what route he is going to take, that there is only one road with no exit ramps and the destination is inescapable. Nothing like that for making someone dig in his feet. Susan Peterson I’ll be honest; I myself shudder to hear the word “priestess” applied to Anne Kennedy, because there is nothing pagan about her as far as her beliefs or her character are concerned. Whatever she thinks she is doing on the rare occasions when she celebrates, it is not what Catholics believe a priest does. By “whatever” I don’t mean to be dismissive, I mean that I don’t really understand other than Catholic understandings of the Eucharist. I think I have some idea of other than Catholic understandings of the Eucharistic presence, but I don’t really understand other than Catholic understandings of the Eucharistic action. But I know Anne doesn’t think she acts “in the person of Christ” as a Catholic priest does. I know that Anne is a serious and devout Christian woman. And Matt isn’t married to her qua “priestess” he is married to the woman and person Anne. It is too easy to forget that when her ecclesiastical status is an issue of public controversy.
I see Matt’s views on the Eucharist as having changed a bit over the past few years, for instance from seeing John VI as not about the Eucharist at all to seeing that at least the second half of it must be.
It is amazing that he has any time for theological thought at all given the stress of leaving the Episcopal church and losing the building, and now having the diocese accuse him of financial malfeasance because people gave money to the St. Matthias society and the church spent down the assets that were to be confiscated. But I do see some movement. It is much better for such movement to take place without a whole lot of public scrutiny and people jumping all over every sentence. If a change in one little piece of one’s ideas is going to require a change in another place, this might require a year’s reflection and study. There is no point in telling someone that because he has taken one step along a road that he doesn’t know the ending of, or what route he is going to take, that there is only one road with no exit ramps and the destination is inescapable. Nothing like that for making someone dig in his feet.
Susan Peterson

]]> Comment on Banned by A Further Note on “Priestess” « Rather Not Blog http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/2009/09/04/banned/#comment-219 A Further Note on “Priestess” « Rather Not Blog Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:37:04 +0000 http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/?p=167#comment-219 [...] Rather Not Blog All Things Anglican « Banned [...] [...] Rather Not Blog All Things Anglican « Banned [...]

]]> Comment on Banned by Katherine http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/2009/09/04/banned/#comment-218 Katherine Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:59:56 +0000 http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/?p=167#comment-218 I have seen comments by Matt Kennedy+ about his new outlook on WO on his blog. He's been clear. I have seen comments by Matt Kennedy+ about his new outlook on WO on his blog. He’s been clear.

]]> Comment on Banned by Truth Unites... and Divides http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/2009/09/04/banned/#comment-217 Truth Unites... and Divides Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:54:12 +0000 http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/?p=167#comment-217 <b>Susan Peterson</b>: <i>"It isn’t Anne, I don’t think. She isn’t the kind to get up on her high horse and “take offense.” But perhaps it is Matt being protective towards Anne, even when Anne is plenty tough enough not to need it?"</i> It's hard to know. Matt Kennedy+ who posted the thread at SFIF from which IRNS was banned is in an interesting situation for two reasons: (1) He is married to a priestess. (2) He is now against WO. See this <a href="http://frjeffreysteel.blogspot.com/2008/01/hermeneutics-and-ecclesiology-question.html" rel="nofollow">comment</a> by him on this thread. Excerpt: "Personally, I have come to the point where I believe WO should be ended on biblical grounds. I think those who are currently ordained ought to be the last. I used to hold to a limited WO position...ie women could be ordained but not fill headship roles (rector or bishop etc). Now, I think that position is flawed. I do not know what authority or role women ought to hold in the Church, but I no longer have confidence that ordained presbyter is one of them. What am I going to do about that? I continue to believe it is not an essential matter but now that I think I see the matter in a different light Anne and I have some things to think through together and we are presently doing that." Has Matt Kennedy+ let the Stand Firm readership know of his change of mind, and that he's now against WO? If so, when? If not, why not? Susan Peterson: “It isn’t Anne, I don’t think. She isn’t the kind to get up on her high horse and “take offense.” But perhaps it is Matt being protective towards Anne, even when Anne is plenty tough enough not to need it?”

It’s hard to know. Matt Kennedy+ who posted the thread at SFIF from which IRNS was banned is in an interesting situation for two reasons:

(1) He is married to a priestess.

(2) He is now against WO. See this comment by him on this thread.

Excerpt: “Personally, I have come to the point where I believe WO should be ended on biblical grounds. I think those who are currently ordained ought to be the last. I used to hold to a limited WO position…ie women could be ordained but not fill headship roles (rector or bishop etc).

Now, I think that position is flawed. I do not know what authority or role women ought to hold in the Church, but I no longer have confidence that ordained presbyter is one of them.

What am I going to do about that? I continue to believe it is not an essential matter but now that I think I see the matter in a different light Anne and I have some things to think through together and we are presently doing that.”

Has Matt Kennedy+ let the Stand Firm readership know of his change of mind, and that he’s now against WO?

If so, when? If not, why not?

]]> Comment on Banned by Susan Peterson http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/2009/09/04/banned/#comment-215 Susan Peterson Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:44:02 +0000 http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/?p=167#comment-215 And now both you and Mr. Tighe have been banned from Stand Firm for the same offense, which makes Stand Firm much the poorer in my view. I wish you had compromised, not challenged Matt, and used "priest", and "purported to ordain" and so on. Then you could have continued to bring your arguments to the discussion there. As for stupid arguments, life is like that. I haven't seen any "Junia" at Stand Firm lately, though. I agree that Fenelon spoke should at least have had the comment deleted and should have been warned, like the person who imported the word in a quotation. I also agree that 'some find it offensive' is a poor reason for a censorship policy. "Some" find an awful lot of things offensive. Why is it that this particular "some" gets kowtowed to? It isn't Anne, I don't think. She isn't the kind to get up on her high horse and "take offense." But perhaps it is Matt being protective towards Anne, even when Anne is plenty tough enough not to need it? Susan Peterson And now both you and Mr. Tighe have been banned from Stand Firm for the same offense, which makes Stand Firm much the poorer in my view.
I wish you had compromised, not challenged Matt, and used “priest”, and “purported to ordain” and so on. Then you could have continued to bring your arguments to the discussion there. As for stupid arguments, life is like that. I haven’t seen any “Junia” at Stand Firm lately, though.

I agree that Fenelon spoke should at least have had the comment deleted and should have been warned, like the person who imported the word in a quotation.

I also agree that ’some find it offensive’ is a poor reason for a censorship policy. “Some” find an awful lot of things offensive.
Why is it that this particular “some” gets kowtowed to?

It isn’t Anne, I don’t think. She isn’t the kind to get up on her high horse and “take offense.” But perhaps it is Matt being protective towards Anne, even when Anne is plenty tough enough not to need it?

Susan Peterson

]]> Comment on Down the Memory Hole or, What’s In a Word? by Banned « Rather Not Blog http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/down-the-memory-hole-or-what%e2%80%99s-in-a-word/#comment-214 Banned « Rather Not Blog Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:34:06 +0000 http://idrathernotsay123.wordpress.com/2007/04/27/down-the-memory-hole-or-what%e2%80%99s-in-a-word/#comment-214 [...] My more considered thoughts on this matter may be found here. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Where have I been, where am I going, and where am [...] [...] My more considered thoughts on this matter may be found here. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Where have I been, where am I going, and where am [...]

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